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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 2, 2012 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

Dayum! I wish I could come close to writing like that, but don't we all. That's The Bard (Coriolanus), as if it could be another.

O.K., we are about 85 hours away from the polls opening in Dixville Notch, NH., singling the end of Campaign '12. You poor folks in Ohio will soon be freed from the endless political ad loop. Any predictions out here, in the land through the looking glass?

I have Obama @ 257 electoral votes. Romney @ 235. I don't have a feel for Ohio, Colorado, Iowa or Wisconsin. Bottom line is it all has to fall perfectly for Romney to win, which I do not think is going to happen. If it does fall perfectly for the man in red it's going to be a bad night for the D's, not just in the White House, but in Congress as well.

An item which gives me pause on each of these guys (out of many).

http://tinyurl.com/c9x383a
We all have off days, but not when you are running for President. The mic is hot Mr. Red Dude. Awareness. (There are Mormons in Utah, wow)

http://tinyurl.com/a7h4f3l
Nothing like using your friends on the videotape against you. Mr. Blue Dude was a courageous man signing that bill on NYE '11. Just slightly over the top at the end (hopefully).

Overall, outside of the country using it's voting reflex, I think this has been a tremendous waste of time. Flat, insipid and all the synonyms under boring. Regardless of who we get for the next four years, it's just a rearranging the deck chairs. Neither of these guys will have a broad, course changing mandate. Happy voting.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 2, 2012 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

"Neither of these guys will have a broad, course changing mandate."

Probably because there is not a clear consensus in this country about what course to choose. Either way, this election is less about the future than about Obama's record as president, and the course he charted four years ago in the midst of the financial crisis. In my view, he seems to have accomplished quite a lot -- overhauled the health care system, ended the Iraq war, tightened regulations on Wall Street, saved the auto industry -- that's a lot more than most presidents get done in four years. I'd rather stick with the guy who's been quietly getting stuff done than go with a guy who seemingly has no principles, no foreign policy experience, and has not maintained a consistent position on any issue. I don't doubt that Romney would work hard as president, I just have no idea what he'd do. What are his goals? What's his vision? Nobody knows.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 2, 2012 10:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

You left out a few high points:

- Stripped Constitutional 4th Amendment rights from Americans by signing NDAA into law on 31DEV11
- Authorized the assassination of an American citizen without Constitutional due process
- Violated the 1973 War Powers Resolution Act by committing American forces to hostil action in Libya without Congressional approval.
- Expanded the conflict in Afghanistan
- Expanded an arguably unconstitutional conflict in Pakistan
- Extended and broadened the Patriot Act
- Appointed banking executives from GS, JPM to cabinet posts
- Shielded administration officials from criminal investigation by invoking Executive Privelege - and you thought that knife edge only cut Bush...

Yup, that's one busy motherfucker.

I get it - give me free shit and you can have my Constitutional rights......

Signing NDAA crossed my Rubicon and is unforgiveable. Your mileage might vary. Both of these guys scare the shit out of me, but for two different reasons. One because nothing will change and one because everything will change. Do the math.....

BD is right - the next two SCOTUS appointees will likely happen in the next years. That's a big deal.

The Mayans' arrival in spaceships to take us to Arcturus in December notwithstanding.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 2, 2012 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

What about the continued use of drones in countries where we have not declared war? Like Yemen. Look, I want these guys taken out wherever they hide but this administration (nor any others in recent times) give a shit about state sovereignty or waging war from the oval office w/o congressinal approval (as Mando mentions above).

And Mando, the more time I spend around officers at NPS, the more and more I respect them and what they do...

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 2, 2012 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

Regarding NDAA, I would note that a large group of Democrats and only a paltry few Republicans supported a failed measure to remove the indefinite detention provision. I agree that Obama should have rejected it, but without a line-item veto, it's all or nothing. Spin it any way you want, but it was overwhelmingly Republicans that rammed this thing through. I love how everyone blames Obama for it now. Bush did this stuff and much worse for eight years.

Regarding Pakistan, Obama has done exactly what he pledged to do during the 2008 campaign, I think wisely. Or do you think he made the wrong call on the Bin Laden raid? Do you think he should have waited for Pakistan's permission? LMAO.

On Wall St., you're grasping at straws. Fact is, Obama and his team -- (yes, some from Wall St (oh heavens, no!)) -- have implemented the most rigorous financial regulations in history.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 2, 2012 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

As someone who has sworn to support and defend the Constitution I would have vetoed the bill and sent it back to Congress to have Para 1021 rewritten for clarity if not removed in its entirety. That's the way the process works if you're principled.

I'm not talking about the OBL raid ya knot head. I'm talking about the use of drones that if history were to be written from the other perspective would be correct in classifying it as terrorism.

400% increase in drone strikes in the past 4 years.....

40 people killed at a wedding to take out a third tier guy. Nice. As long as it's not us, right.

Throw your hat in the ring with Joe Klein.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygHpRFs9mPg

The most rigorous financial regulations in history? You are kidding right? A marshmallow has more teeth than the Dodd-Frank bill that did nothing more than deem certain institutions Too Big Too Fail.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 2, 2012 11:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

What's the difference between the OBL raid and the drone strikes, other than the "boots on the ground" issue? You're okay with assassinations in Pakistan and other countries that we have not declared war against as long as the attacks don't rely on drones? Last I checked, neither Bin Laden nor anyone else killed during that raid was granted due process.

And yes, I am serious about Dodd-Frank. Most rigorous since the Great Depression at least. Or would you like to tell me when in history that Wall St regulations were more rigorous?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 2, 2012 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

One was conducted by arguably the finest fighting unit in the world with a crystal clear, specific mission. Drones are just a touch less discriminating. Well, unless you consider the base unit for a successful drone mission 1 operative KIA with 39 collateral wedding guests acceptable.

You may find this a surprise, but enemy combatants who are not American citizens are not afforded Constitutional 4th Amendment protections.

So to answer your question, I'm not okay with assassinations of American citizens. I'm very much okay with assassination/killing of enemy combatants. I'm not okay with the drone strikes in Pakistan primarily because they are in violation of the 1973 War Powers Pesolution Act. Even if Congress were to vote to conduct strikes, I would raise the bar on how they are conducted with regards to minimizing collaterals. Sure, it's a step up from fire bombing Tokyo or Dresden - but just like Joe Klein said, "Better them than us" right? (That last part was sarcasm)

Just to repeat....you do realize that OBL and other enemy combatants who are not American citizens are not granted Constitutional protections?

Wall Street Regulations were at the most rigorous standard in 1933 - right after the Banking Act of 1933, more commonly known as Glass-Steagall, was signed. And it went downhill from there.

Dodd-Frank is nutless. Which is sorta appropriate given the "leadership" provided by those two.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 2, 2012 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

Oh Mando.....could it be I'm falling in love?

That is the extent of my contribution to this thread.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 2, 2012 3:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

Yes, I realize that the bill of rights does not apply to Bin Laden. Let's not get distracted by that. The point I was trying to make was about whether Obama needed Congress and/or Pakistan to approve the operation.

But you seem to be making a qualitative distinction between a SEAL-led operation and a drone strike. Am I reading that correctly? The SEAL raid on Bin Laden's compound was OK with you even though it constituted an unauthorized act of war against a nominal ally. Correct? Or is one a violation of the WPA and the other not?

What about this: What if intelligence sources located OBL at the safe house but determined that there were probably US citizens inside the compound with him? You're the president. Do you green light the raid? As it is, there were several other people killed there too -- including women. But those kills are okay? Why? Again, what if he had happened to have a US-born wife or brother? Do you call off the raid?

What if drones become that much more accurate? What if the technology develops such that they can virtually guarantee that the strike will only take out the intended target?

Or is it simply that drones aren't macho enough? I'm afraid I'm not understanding the distinction here. There have been plenty of military operations with dozens of civilian casualties.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 2, 2012 7:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

"Yes, I realize that the bill of rights does not apply to Bin Laden. Let's not get distracted by that. The point I was trying to make was about whether Obama needed Congress and/or Pakistan to approve the operation."

No Constitutional protections applied to OBL. Moving on. Approval authority for the operation lies with the Commander In Chief. You are looking at an operation in isolation. My point is that prior to conducting any hostile action in Pakistan - drones, boots, B-2s, submarine launched cruise missiles, reruns of Jersey Shore, scattering naked pictures of Rosie O'Donnell - Congressional approval should have been obtained iaw the War Powers Act. With Congressional approval - green light. Pakistan can eat shit and bark at the moon.

"But you seem to be making a qualitative distinction between a SEAL-led operation and a drone strike. Am I reading that correctly? The SEAL raid on Bin Laden's compound was OK with you even though it constituted an unauthorized act of war against a nominal ally. Correct? Or is one a violation of the WPA and the other not?"

Both are hostile actions against a foreign, sovereign nation. Congressional approval should have been obtained before the first drone strike. Hang that on Bush. Hang it on Obama the second a drone strike was conducted following his inauguration.

"What about this: What if intelligence sources located OBL at the safe house but determined that there were probably US citizens inside the compound with him? You're the president. Do you green light the raid?"

t depends, but probably. Assuming the Americans were hostages - the team that conducted the raid would have been briefed that there were friendlies in the compound. There is no finer or more capable hostage rescue unit in the world. But if the mission is OBL, then hostage rescue is likely a lower priority. Due diligence would be used to ensure that the primary mission would be carried out successfully with reasonable precaution to safeguard the hostages. That said, if OBL was seen reaching for a weapon and there were hostages between OBL and the team, you can bet they would figure out real quick and the team member with the least impeded line of fire would start pink misting.

If the Americans were sympathetic to OBl and Al Quaeda, it gets a little stickier. Arguably, they are committing treason and can be classified as a combatant and therefore it's game on. But there is a deliberative process to determine that that still preserves the 4th Amendment due process rights. However, if they are about to commit hostile action against American forces or citizens then they have by law abdicated their citizenship and protections and can be eliminated along with OBL.

"As it is, there were several other people killed there too -- including women. But those kills are okay? Why? Again, what if he had happened to have a US-born wife or brother? Do you call off the raid?"

Ignoring the War Powers Act requirement for the sake of this question line. Those kills would be justified under the Law of Armed COnflict as anyone else in the house could be reasonably deemed to be an enemy combatant. The Taliban and Al Quaeda routinely strap explosive to 10 year old kids. Most women I know have 8 fingers and two opposable thumbs and are capable of pulling a trigger. If you point a weapon at me, I don't give rat's ass if you sit down to pee. You are going to catch two rounds at the base of the neck, in the little depression just below the Adam's Apple and above the sternum, at the point where the clavicles meet. Us born wives or brothers? Are they still citizens or have they been deemed treasonous iaw US Code and are now legitimate targets? If they haven't, it gets sticky. I wouldn't call off the raid. Again, I would rely on the skill and training of the team.

"What if drones become that much more accurate? What if the technology develops such that they can virtually guarantee that the strike will only take out the intended target?"

Have Congress approve hostile action as required by WPA and build those fucking drones as fast as you can.

"Or is it simply that drones aren't macho enough? I'm afraid I'm not understanding the distinction here. There have been plenty of military operations with dozens of civilian casualties."

It has nothing to do with machismo. For me (and many others including Dennis Kucinich) it's all about the 1973 WPA. There have also been plenty of military operations with tens of thousands of civilian casualties. Warfare has evolved (that's oxymoronic huh?). The indiscriminate carpet and firebombing of Dresden, Tokyo, Osaka, etc. would no doubt be considered war crimes today. Drones, SEALs - whatever. Provided the 1973 War Powers Resolution Act is complied with, along with the Law of Armed Conflict, you use the best combination of weapons systems, personnel, and tactics best suited to accomplish the mission with due regard for limiting collateral damage.

This post was modified by Mandojammer on 2012-11-03 02:29:02

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 2, 2012 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

Agree on your comments re drones and GITMO. Most of the teeth in Dodd-Frank were removed by Rep. dentists. A mediocre bill at best, from a consumer standpoint.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 2, 2012 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

"What are his goals? What's his vision? Nobody knows."

Goals and vision: To get elected President. It's the last rung on the ladder.

And to say it makes no difference who wins is entire bullshit. The next guy in the oval office gets to select a couple of Supreme Court nominees. If you don't think the make up of the highest court in the land has a daily impact on your lives....

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 2, 2012 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

On social issues, yes. On other matters, like how they view civil liberties or the banking structure, not so much.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 2, 2012 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

Really? No impact on civil liberties? OK. ...

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/10/31/the-supreme-courts-dog-day/

Later on I'll let you explain the bright dividing line b/w social issues and civil liberties. And I guess they wouldn't have any way to rule on legislation dealing with the banking structure. or the interstate commerce clause. or whether the affordable care act passes constitutional muster. or the use of race as a factor in college admissions. or marriage equality. or whether us courts can be used to go after acts of domestic and/or foreign corporation outside the US under the Alien Tort Stature. or..... Nevermind.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 3, 2012 1:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

I am playing in your courts here, but to my humble understanding a Presidents picks do not always vote as the President, or the party he was elected from, would wish. Recently this has dissapointed the r's more with the likes of Souter or O’Connor or the current Chief Justice's ruling on the President's healthcare bill. The d's recent Supreme picks do seem to remain in lock step. If you are a d, the chances of you losing the Senate are remote this cycle (Akin and Mourdock definetly helping the cause).

On the link, both Kagan and Scalia appear to both be against the first case and for the second.

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Poster: ducats Date: Nov 2, 2012 4:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

selecting the robes is the ONLY thing the chief does that really matters

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Nov 3, 2012 6:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter with Dubya's Cayman Island vacation and keynote speech?

Re: "Regardless of who we get for the next four years, it's just a rearranging the deck chairs."

And former President George W. Bush, a.k.a. "dubya", is working as hard as he can to rearrange them for Wall Street rich people!

Dubya just gave the keynote address at an “investment conference” in the Cayman Islands this past Thursday night, Nov 1. But we don’t know what he said, reports NBC News, because Bush’s own team required a complete “news blackout” on any details about his keynote speech.

Dubya's keynote speech was “totally closed to all journalists,” and conference organizers were banned from discussing any aspect of it even in general terms, spokesman Dan Kneipp said.

But why the blackout? Why this cowardice, this pusillanimous unwillingness to preach his gospel in the light of day without fear of public disfavor? Doesn’t he believe that it is appropriate for hedge fund managers to keep their tax liabilities as low as possible? Isn’t it a point of faith with him that corporations must flee U.S. jurisdiction to escape the dread claws of the nanny state? What’s he got to be ashamed of?

Isn't Mitt Romney a man who has personally invested some $25 million in Cayman Islands-registered funds, and whose former company, Bain, boasts more than a hundred Cayman funds?

Wouldn't you agree this is really embarrassing to all of us? I don't think it's very funny. Blow Me, Dubya!

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/02/george_bushs_secret_cayman_vacation/

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 3, 2012 9:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter with Dubya's Cayman Island vacation and keynote speech?

I think the banking interests have done quite well recently, regardless of party. Money to them well spent.

Hey Monte, what's going on in CO? I thought it would be solid for the blue man.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/co/colorado_romney_vs_obama-2023.html

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Nov 3, 2012 10:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter with Dubya's Cayman Island vacation and keynote speech?

Denver remains tops for political ads, study finds

WASHINGTON — Nov 2, 2012: Denver remains the nation’s leader in presidential advertising.

Television ads for and against President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney were shown 4,689 times between Oct. 22-29, according to Wesleyan Media Project, which analyzed data from Kantar Media/CMAG.

The Obama campaign paid for its ads to be aired 1,749 times in that period. Ads by independent Democratic groups ran 730 times.

Romney’s ads were aired 840 times, the Republican National Committee’s ads were shown 100 times and those by independent GOP groups were shown 1,270 times in that week, according to the Wesleyan analysis.

Democratic ads were broadcast 269 times more than Republican ones in Denver.

Denver was tops for much of September as well.
http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20121103/NEWS01/311030014/Denver-remains-tops-political-ads-study-finds

In Colorado, it is "Blow Me" taken to a whole new level.

On the other hand, if Amendment 64 passes (Vote YES), mj will be legal in Colorado. In Fort Collins, we have a local question on our ballot for "re-allowing" mmj ops back into Fort Collins businesses. We lost 200 jobs a year ago when Fort Collins City Council voted to ban mmj stores from operating in Fort Collins. Please Vote YES on Question 301. MMJ is already legal in Colorado's Constitution. I've had my permit for several years. It has helped me immensely.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 3, 2012 10:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter with Dubya's Cayman Island vacation and keynote speech?

I thought craven & company were getting hammered w/ ads. Wow.

As far as the ballot initiative, Fort Collins isn't Boulder. G'luck, and I hope it passes.

My state recently put in place a med. mj program, but no docs will fill it so far! My mother (who is ending a 38-year career as a pharmacist next month) said that no one is getting anything except red tape at this point. Once one gets the elusive permit there is no where to go- no dispensaries. We are so far behind the curve here.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Nov 3, 2012 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Up with dope, down with hope

I honestly dont care who 'wins'. They are gonna be sitting
on the pile of shit that dubya created anyway, and its a not going away soon enough. (See the wonderful thread of pix
of children and grandchildren)

Having lived out there, I kynda figured CO was getting
hammered as well. The proof is in the pudding.
Of all the propaganda out front of the place to vote here,
I was hoping for the MD mmj table. Even after a lil reseach
beforehand, there was the 'hope'. No such luck: not a ball
rolling.
But good luck to you Monte and the rest of CO and you all.

maybe we should just stick to listening to the Dead,
drinking duck beer, trading soup recipes, and eating crab cakes. It seems more peaceful. Except to the toilet of course...

And Sean~ I had a couple of lime leaves move in next
door, and I said "there goes the neighborhood". JOKES peeps! Funny observation of you S :) Had me rollin!

UH-OH, here come the geese again......

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 3, 2012 4:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Up with dope, down with hope

>maybe we should just stick to listening to the Dead,
drinking duck beer, trading soup recipes, and eating crab cakes. It seems more peaceful.

But, it's election time. Agitate. It's like Holloween Part 2 (with only the tricks), but only once every 4 years (and in its way, kinda like the Olympics). We will have plenty of time (hopefully) for all the tried and true topics that we all know and love.

Poor George (Ann Richards, RIP). I think both Presidents have done their absolute best to spend other people's money (actually our kids money- if it plays out that far) with the current one doing his double best.

For you c (I think most of us have a sorta shared experence @ 50ish seconds in),

http://tinyurl.com/c3477b2

Smashed tAmAtoe.

E- defo, bro

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Poster: craven714 Date: Nov 4, 2012 1:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Up with dope, down with hope

SHIT. That reminds me there is a load of laundry in the washer. THXS buddy :)
HA!
Now, where did I leave my sim card??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9uYEM2osYQ

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 4, 2012 3:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Up with dope, down with hope

Ha! I do trust that such a forward and public pronouncement of your clean laundry indicates you are completely over your pre-wash laundry issues - which we have worked so hard to eradicate (like kudzu from the South). Separating the colours! My God man, it's the 21st century! (Marx was half right, it's a grey and pink world.) But, your reference fills me with the updraft of hope.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Nov 4, 2012 8:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Up with dope, down with hope

thats same good shit right there.
(wiping spitted coffee off screen now)

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Poster: Deadhead225 Date: Nov 2, 2012 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

Try this: Vote out every incumbent in Federal office for the next 4 elections. Citizen imposed term limits. Eliminate the continual election cycle posturing. I have voted for members of both parties in the past, but now it is time to simply eliminate politics as a lifer career choice.

Eliminate the shame imposed on success in this country and restore pride in this great nation. There is no chance for recovery as long as you place zero value on achievement. Or worse. I have surveyed the business people of this land and nearly to a man they are not prepared to do anything to grow their businesses. This is from those that employ 300,000 to those that employ 3. We are going nowhere like that. The majority revenue and jobs come from these people. Not to mention the $ for the Govt that makes up the rest of the employment picture.

Otherwise I am personally looking to vote with my feet. I will leave this place and never earn another US $ again or pay another dime in tax. Continue to bleed me dry with inflation, 0 interest rates no real job growth, and there will be no more free cell phones to cushion the blow.

Bottom line here is that we can not spend money b/c we have less than none. You can not tax ANYONE and recover when 70% of GDP is now based on consumer spending. Every dollar that goes into the inefficient Govt. pot is a $ out of the growth and recovery of this nation. Well, OK .70. Just don't spend and initiate a flat tax for individuals and Corps so you can actually do some normal accounting to figure out what is going on like any other household or business.

Unfortunately it is all about the $ this time.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Nov 2, 2012 6:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the matter, you dissentious rogues? That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs.

The real test of leadership that all candidates should have to go through .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dRjzI5ij0

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Poster: craven714 Date: Nov 2, 2012 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: ad hoc

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-november-1-2012-bob-woodruff

Im not political. I did vote early yesterday. I live in Columbus, O-hell-no. I admire you all...and

We all cant agree on everything...but,
If these arent facts, I dont know what are:
(witness here):
$181 MILLION in ads
6,647 ads per month
333 ads a day.

As little as I watch TV, it's absolute hell when I try to
veg-out at night before bed. And the "dream Ads" are true.
The horror.......the horror
I have had them every night for weeks...





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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 2, 2012 12:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 219 Granby Street

Well Cliff and I did have an amazing dinner last night in Norfolk. Crab cakes as big as your head (provided you head is the size of a softball).

11 thumbs up for the Duck Rabbit Milk Stout. My scotch collection has a most worthy competitor..........

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 2, 2012 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 219 Granby Street

Enjoyed the colossal crab cakes last night, Rick. It was good seeing you again.

Glad you liked the Duckrabbit milk stout.

Looking forward to joining you for Big Daddy Love on Sunday (any other forumites in the Tidewater area?)

Don't forget my chili. :)

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 2, 2012 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 219 Granby Street

Yikes.....

Please put quotes around "Big Daddy Love" or otherwise indicate that it is the name of a band and not an act that would bring Rob and Dire running!!!

Hopefully whirlwind will see this - he's only a couple of blocks from the Virginia Museum of Contemporary Art.

I won't forget the chili or the pepper paste. I'll bring some fresh picked ghost peppers and white habaneros for you as well.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 3, 2012 4:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 219 Granby Street

ghost peppers...that's some serious hotness

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Poster: craven714 Date: Nov 2, 2012 2:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 714 Craven Street

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2P86C-1x3o

I heard Norfolk is just South of Southfuck. I could be
wrong.
Nice to read that some of the East coasters are well :)
The lord giveth and the lord blowith away.

I have no idea where you were going with this Mando my good
man, but Im just wondering how the hell did you know that
my head was the size of a soft ball? Double/Triple entendre involved. Use your imagination, but not too much.

Man, a dinner with any of you all would be nice.

I was gonna go hunt geese with a rake, but there is a
political ad on now that I must watch, because its EVERY
one...

nothin shakin on shakedown st, used to be the
Duck Rabbit Milk Stout

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Poster: Deadhead225 Date: Nov 2, 2012 3:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 714 Craven Street

What they say about the chicks in Norfolk:

They don't drink
They don't smoke
Norfolk! Norfolk!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 3, 2012 2:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 714 Craven Street

>I was gonna go hunt geese with a rake

:-)

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Nov 2, 2012 3:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 714 Craven Street

what's not to love about Duck Rabbit Milk Stout??
"During fermentation, we sing softly to the yeast. Please try our beer and enjoy a taste of contentment!"

I'm sold! Hope the loco BevMo carries it :)


http://www.duckrabbitbrewery.com/index.html

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Poster: wineland Date: Nov 2, 2012 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 219 Granby Street

I dropped off our ballots today and will stay out of the crossfire. Our GD discussions get heated enough.

As for dinner last night, I cheffed up some tasty Tom Kha Gai for my sick wife on a stormy day. That stuff works better than Ny-Quil. And before bed enjoyed a mug o' Feckin Irish Whiskey, hot water, half of a lemon's juice and honey. Also better than Ny-Quil.

http://tasty-yummies.com/2012/05/02/tom-kha-gai-soup-thai-coconut-soup-gluten-free-dairy-free-wvegan-options/

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 3, 2012 1:21am
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Oh, no. Trading recipes are we. Actually that soup sounds great (so does the o' Feckin Irish Whiskey). I looked at the ingrediants and I thought, why are the lime leaves racist? :-)

The first two recipes at the bottom look good too.